SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs 40% FP Super Buu

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SSJ4 Goku (Buu Saga) vs 40% FP Super Buu
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ryan1227	Sep 12 2016, 08:49 PM Post #16
Posts: 502 Group: Member Member #13,168 Joined: May 21, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Goku gets destroyed in both rounds. His potential probably isn't that much higher than Vegeta's.



~~Squall Strife~~	Sep 12 2016, 08:54 PM Post #17
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Well Beerus said only Goku & Vegeta were viable so there's that. Rn Goku has more power than Gohan in his ssj forms and his base arguably for some users. If what Vegeta said is true has yet to be seen so for right now Goku & Vegeta are above Gohan in power. Also Goku & Vegeta have already surppassed Ultimate Gohan, so it's been retconned. And this is not counting god ki ofc. So there's that tbh. lol
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Goddess Ultimecia	Sep 12 2016, 08:59 PM Post #18
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Squall Strife Sep 12 2016, 08:13 PM Well, Goku's potential has been retconned, so he's def above Gohan now in the the current canon. So it can be used here since the OP didn't state what source material should be used. lol Vegeta thinks otherwise in both the manga and anime of Super. Saying before the U6 tourney starts that Gohan has greater dormant power than both himself and Goku.
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~~Squall Strife~~	Sep 12 2016, 09:01 PM Post #19
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Well Vegeta's points have been wrong in the past. But even if he was right, it still remains to be seen. So there's that. lol
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Goddess Ultimecia	Sep 12 2016, 09:03 PM Post #20
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Squall Strife Sep 12 2016, 09:01 PM Well Vegeta's points have been wrong in the past. But even if he was right, it still remains to be seen. So there's that. lol It's not been contradicted yet. So you can't just write it off. Might be why they cancelled the Gohan training subplot, they didn't want to have three main stars lol.
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~~Squall Strife~~	Sep 12 2016, 09:06 PM Post #21
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Well I can as it hasn't been shown yet. If it does, then I will withdraw my statement. lol
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Goddess Ultimecia	Sep 12 2016, 09:08 PM Post #22
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Squall Strife Sep 12 2016, 09:06 PM Well I can as it hasn't been shown yet. If it does, then I will withdraw my statement. lol It's your word against uncontradicted Vegeta's. You do you.
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~~Squall Strife~~	Sep 12 2016, 09:10 PM Post #23
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Well not really as his statement has not been proven viable yet. It really is a double sided conversation tbh. But I digress. ssj4 Goku should beat Super Buu as he is seen having more potential than he previously did bid before. This is not a Gohan vs Goku debate. lol Edited by Squall Strife, Sep 12 2016, 09:12 PM.
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Goddess Ultimecia	Sep 12 2016, 09:14 PM Post #24
Posts: 10,145 Group: RP Moderator Member #8,473 Joined: October 26, 2012 Gender Male Country None	Squall Strife Sep 12 2016, 09:10 PM Well not really as his statement has not been proven viable yet. It really is a double sided conversation tbh. But I digress. ssj4 Goku should beat Super Buu as he is seen having more potential than he previously did bid before. This is not a Gohan vs Goku debate. lol I was just pointing out that Goku>Gohan dormant power wise is not a set in stone thing.
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+ Pyrus	Sep 12 2016, 09:14 PM Post #25
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	You digress because you don't understand literature. You prove the character wrong, not the other way around. Benefit of the doubt. Get with it, man. There's no reason for Goku to win this. This is not DBS Goku, nor is there any retcon to work with. You're making crap up now to fit with your answer rather than looking at things objectively. My answer is simple. Goku gets crushed. His dormant power is noticeably below Gohan's. There's no way he'd be able to topple Evil Boo going by Z's standards. It's only when you include Toei's nonsense that you could make the case for Goku. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 12 2016, 09:32 PM.
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~~Squall Strife~~	Sep 12 2016, 09:38 PM Post #26
Posts: 1,188 Group: Suspended Member #13,373 Joined: July 12, 2016 Gender Male	Gender Neutral, Pyrus. If you are unaware means that I don't specify to a specific gender. Veheta has been proven wrong before. The benifit of doubt is uncertain. He could be roght kr not. Since it hasn't been shown, it leaves his statement up for interpretation. Goku's should be the same Goku as he is throughout the series. He continues to push past these" potentials" is what seperates him in every arc as they are only there to tell a story. Meaning, he's the same Goku but plot determines his potential @ the time. But Goku has shown that his potential has surppased Ulimate Gohan's power. So there's that. ssj4 is when it takes a fighter to their limit. There is no other trans greater than ssj4 in GT, so it should be used when he is in the Buu Saga. lol
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+ Pyrus	Sep 12 2016, 09:53 PM Post #27
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Quote: Gender Neutral, Pyrus. If you are unaware means that I don't specify to a specific gender. Generalization, human. Quote: Veheta has been proven wrong before. The benifit of doubt is uncertain. He could be roght kr not. Since it hasn't been shown, it leaves his statement up for interpretation. It doesn't matter if he's been proven wrong before. Every character has been wrong. They still maintain the benefit of the doubt. It's not up for interpretation when you're the one that has to prove him wrong. Bringing up his past failures says more about your inability to do so than his reliability, because rather than address the current situation, you're pulling in other situations as a scapegoat. Quote: Goku's should be the same Goku as he is throughout the series. He continues to push past these" potentials" is what seperates him in every arc as they are only there to tell a story. Meaning, he's the same Goku but plot determines his potential @ the time. But Goku has shown that his potential has surppased Ulimate Gohan's power. So there's that. Where in any of this did you prove that Goku's dormant power was as much or more than Gohan's during the Boo arc? It was explicitly stated in the manga and the guidebooks that Gohan possessed the most dormant power out of any of the Saiyans. Goku's was factually below his during the Boo arc. Quote: ssj4 is when it takes a fighter to their limit. There is no other trans greater than ssj4 in GT, so it should be used when he is in the Buu Saga. lol What? Taking Goku to his limit in the Boo arc wouldn't make him stronger than Gohan when the form is based on dormant power, of which Gohan possesses far more.
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+ Son-Goku	Sep 13 2016, 02:38 AM Post #28
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Zoom	Sep 14 2016, 12:49 AM Post #29
Posts: 3,426 Group: Member Member #12,146 Joined: March 16, 2015 Gender Male	When you say Goku has Ssj4, are you using the GT files as it relates to all potential or as static or variable changing multiplier? Scenario 1: GT Files as it relates to Goku's potential. Dragonball z Manga + Super have Gohan > Goku in potential. GT is the only that has Goku being superior. Scenario 2: Multiplier. Depends on the size of the multiplier, but if all shows are part of the same continuum, then logically Ssj4 would be more powerful than SsjG.



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